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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny.  Some of the first people to &quot;like&quot; this article, are the first ones, who go on Twitter,  FB, or 
Flicr,and say things like: &quot; saw some hideous pictures this weekend, when will this crap end?&quot;, or  &quot;when will photographers just post pictures for themselves, and not for other photographers?&quot;, and then all fall over each other, posting pictures of themselves, or their work, and then ignoring everyone else.  They endlessly discuss ISO settings or is Canon better than Nikon.  Blah Blah.

It is the ME generation.  It is the http/frog/llp, see what I just did about 42 seconds ago generation.  It is the post &quot;I love your work&quot;, and then completely ignore that person, or bash them behind their backs two seconds later generation, because you know they can&#039;t do anything for you generation.  

ALL photographers have a degree of egoism.  They want their work to be admired.  Why not admit it?  If I take a picture, I do not want someone to look at it (and least of all my client), to say &quot;Good Christ, that is hideous!&quot;.  But then, you have this elitist crowd claiming they are just in it for the art, for the purism.

That is such crap.  They write blogs, interviews, stating to hate anyone who loves their work, or who is doing a &quot;vintage&quot; picture, or has done something that has been done before.  &quot;Break new ground&quot; they scream!   Would Ansel Adams have wasted his time?   I think not.  He would have just taken pictures.

Hate?  It is a waste of time.  I see people on their Tweets, FB pages belittling someone,  (and they might not even know who they are hurting), and I think: &quot;Go take a picture and shut the h*ll up&quot;.  Or better yet, go on someone&#039;s page who you have NEVER gone on before and leave a kind comment.

It is a better waste of space.

Peace...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny.  Some of the first people to &#8220;like&#8221; this article, are the first ones, who go on Twitter,  FB, or<br />
Flicr,and say things like: &#8221; saw some hideous pictures this weekend, when will this crap end?&#8221;, or  &#8220;when will photographers just post pictures for themselves, and not for other photographers?&#8221;, and then all fall over each other, posting pictures of themselves, or their work, and then ignoring everyone else.  They endlessly discuss ISO settings or is Canon better than Nikon.  Blah Blah.</p>
<p>It is the ME generation.  It is the http/frog/llp, see what I just did about 42 seconds ago generation.  It is the post &#8220;I love your work&#8221;, and then completely ignore that person, or bash them behind their backs two seconds later generation, because you know they can&#8217;t do anything for you generation.  </p>
<p>ALL photographers have a degree of egoism.  They want their work to be admired.  Why not admit it?  If I take a picture, I do not want someone to look at it (and least of all my client), to say &#8220;Good Christ, that is hideous!&#8221;.  But then, you have this elitist crowd claiming they are just in it for the art, for the purism.</p>
<p>That is such crap.  They write blogs, interviews, stating to hate anyone who loves their work, or who is doing a &#8220;vintage&#8221; picture, or has done something that has been done before.  &#8220;Break new ground&#8221; they scream!   Would Ansel Adams have wasted his time?   I think not.  He would have just taken pictures.</p>
<p>Hate?  It is a waste of time.  I see people on their Tweets, FB pages belittling someone,  (and they might not even know who they are hurting), and I think: &#8220;Go take a picture and shut the h*ll up&#8221;.  Or better yet, go on someone&#8217;s page who you have NEVER gone on before and leave a kind comment.</p>
<p>It is a better waste of space.</p>
<p>Peace&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I agree with your point here, I do think that JJB wasn&#039;t being the &quot;idiot&quot; you described him to be by knocking the defendant down a few pegs. Her work and her business ethics were unprofessional and seeing how that&#039;s hard to quantify in terms of substance he went the equipment route. He even asked her how fast her lens was and she gave him the zoom specs! I mean...c&#039;mon!

In that case, its not about one-upping somebody but testing their legitimacy. The same way you&#039;d ask medical questions from a doctor or recipe hints from a chef. The difference is that those two professions are licensed, while the photography field is a more wild-west Darwinian world. If you can&#039;t answer a few basic questions about this then you&#039;re strictly BSing. JJB was good to weed her out, NOT to knock down, but to expose her as a fraud!

But the rest of your blog I wholeheartedly agree! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I agree with your point here, I do think that JJB wasn&#8217;t being the &#8220;idiot&#8221; you described him to be by knocking the defendant down a few pegs. Her work and her business ethics were unprofessional and seeing how that&#8217;s hard to quantify in terms of substance he went the equipment route. He even asked her how fast her lens was and she gave him the zoom specs! I mean&#8230;c&#8217;mon!</p>
<p>In that case, its not about one-upping somebody but testing their legitimacy. The same way you&#8217;d ask medical questions from a doctor or recipe hints from a chef. The difference is that those two professions are licensed, while the photography field is a more wild-west Darwinian world. If you can&#8217;t answer a few basic questions about this then you&#8217;re strictly BSing. JJB was good to weed her out, NOT to knock down, but to expose her as a fraud!</p>
<p>But the rest of your blog I wholeheartedly agree! <img src='http://www.lighting-essentials.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: In Praise of Natural Light: Examples and Discussion. &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Praise of Natural Light: Examples and Discussion. &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 23:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you may have missed: My workshop and week in NY produced New York, May 2010: Fun in the Big City You Know That Guyâ€¦ I Hate That Guy. Am I Somehow More Successful Now? was a post on the tendency to think negatively instead of with inspiration. Sure You Gotta Logo, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you may have missed: My workshop and week in NY produced New York, May 2010: Fun in the Big City You Know That Guyâ€¦ I Hate That Guy. Am I Somehow More Successful Now? was a post on the tendency to think negatively instead of with inspiration. Sure You Gotta Logo, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ranger 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranger 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to endorse being a hater. And yet, as Edmund Burke said, &quot;There is a limit at a which forbearance ceases to be a virtue.&quot; How do you know where to draw the line?

One frustrating thing about the photo-blogosphere, where there&#039;s so much product so readily available: Almost everybody&#039;s work can be arranged along a &quot;merit&quot; axis, and almost everybody&#039;s degree of celebrity can be arranged along a &quot;recognition&quot; axis. The problem is that, as a scientist might say, the two axes are weakly coupled. There&#039;s a small sector of people who are deservedly famous for the quality of their work, and zone occupied by those of us who are deservedly obscure for the lack of same. In between, though, lies a huge but very fuzzy set of people whose work is better than their reputation, or vice-versa, and where to locate those individual data points is unavoidably very, very contentious.

I won&#039;t necessarily diss a commentator for calling out someone as overrated; it&#039;s good to remind people that a wide range of opinion is allowable. (Another quote, this one from seminal ballet critic Edwin Denby: &quot;It is not the job of the critic to be right, but to be interesting.&quot;)

I will say, though, that if you call out people for being overrated, I expect you also occasionally to draw attention to some whom you consider underrated; otherwise, I&#039;m going to suspect your motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to endorse being a hater. And yet, as Edmund Burke said, &#8220;There is a limit at a which forbearance ceases to be a virtue.&#8221; How do you know where to draw the line?</p>
<p>One frustrating thing about the photo-blogosphere, where there&#8217;s so much product so readily available: Almost everybody&#8217;s work can be arranged along a &#8220;merit&#8221; axis, and almost everybody&#8217;s degree of celebrity can be arranged along a &#8220;recognition&#8221; axis. The problem is that, as a scientist might say, the two axes are weakly coupled. There&#8217;s a small sector of people who are deservedly famous for the quality of their work, and zone occupied by those of us who are deservedly obscure for the lack of same. In between, though, lies a huge but very fuzzy set of people whose work is better than their reputation, or vice-versa, and where to locate those individual data points is unavoidably very, very contentious.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t necessarily diss a commentator for calling out someone as overrated; it&#8217;s good to remind people that a wide range of opinion is allowable. (Another quote, this one from seminal ballet critic Edwin Denby: &#8220;It is not the job of the critic to be right, but to be interesting.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I will say, though, that if you call out people for being overrated, I expect you also occasionally to draw attention to some whom you consider underrated; otherwise, I&#8217;m going to suspect your motives.</p>
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		<title>By: George Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 05:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! It has a bit for most people to take home...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! It has a bit for most people to take home&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wizwow</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizwow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such wise words. I have been around the negative people, and at some points early in my career, I was probably pretty guilty of that crap too... but there is a time when you realize it is all for nothing.

My momma used to tell me &quot;If you can&#039;t say anything nice, don&#039;t say anything at all.&quot; People respond to that really well. And while we all have deeply held feelings, letting the negativity go can sometimes really help us focus on what is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such wise words. I have been around the negative people, and at some points early in my career, I was probably pretty guilty of that crap too&#8230; but there is a time when you realize it is all for nothing.</p>
<p>My momma used to tell me &#8220;If you can&#8217;t say anything nice, don&#8217;t say anything at all.&#8221; People respond to that really well. And while we all have deeply held feelings, letting the negativity go can sometimes really help us focus on what is important.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was very interesting to me, as I am very new to the game.  I mean, so new that I don&#039;t even have a website up and running yet and I&#039;m still trying to figure out what to charge people.

This article has solidified in my mind the need to just be who I am, not worrying about what another photographer is doing or thinks of my work.  I will focus on what the client needs and deliver to the best of my ability.

As I often say to my five children: Why don&#039;t you just worry about you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very interesting to me, as I am very new to the game.  I mean, so new that I don&#8217;t even have a website up and running yet and I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what to charge people.</p>
<p>This article has solidified in my mind the need to just be who I am, not worrying about what another photographer is doing or thinks of my work.  I will focus on what the client needs and deliver to the best of my ability.</p>
<p>As I often say to my five children: Why don&#8217;t you just worry about you?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kelby&#39;s Photoshop Insider Blog Â» Photoshop &#38; Digital Photography Techniques, Tutorials, Books, Reviews &#38; More &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday Stuff is Back!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Kelby&#39;s Photoshop Insider Blog Â» Photoshop &#38; Digital Photography Techniques, Tutorials, Books, Reviews &#38; More &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday Stuff is Back!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 09:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 10 Things That Will Do More For Your Photography&#8230; I thought this short article was really well written, and there&#8217;s some great thought-provoking and inspiring stuff it in for the market we&#8217;re dealing with now. Well worth a stop by over at Lighting-Essentials.Â  (Here&#8217;s the link). Also, while you&#8217;re there, don&#8217;t miss his article: &#8220;You know that guy&#8230;I hate that guy. Am I somehow more successful now?&#8221; You will love it (or really, really, not. Gene, make sure you read this one!). Here&#8217;s the link .  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 10 Things That Will Do More For Your Photography&#8230; I thought this short article was really well written, and there&#8217;s some great thought-provoking and inspiring stuff it in for the market we&#8217;re dealing with now. Well worth a stop by over at Lighting-Essentials.Â  (Here&#8217;s the link). Also, while you&#8217;re there, don&#8217;t miss his article: &#8220;You know that guy&#8230;I hate that guy. Am I somehow more successful now?&#8221; You will love it (or really, really, not. Gene, make sure you read this one!). Here&#8217;s the link .  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: adam Koenig</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam Koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 03:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
I have been following your blog for a bit now, and I want to thank you for this post! It reminds me of what Dane Sanders says about having &quot;the grumpies&quot;. We got out of an era where no one wanted to share information, and I think that is just manifesting in different ways now.
I tend to hate on people who like certain kinds of music, and this post really was humbling for me. I read the blog you linked to, and really felt what you are saying, why is there a need to tear people down. If people&#039;s work really does suck, than they are the ones who  will have to deal with it when their clients realize they bought into a fad, shouldn&#039;t we spend our time helping the passionate find their way?
thanks so much for writing, you keep me inspired to do this crazy thing of being a photographer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
I have been following your blog for a bit now, and I want to thank you for this post! It reminds me of what Dane Sanders says about having &#8220;the grumpies&#8221;. We got out of an era where no one wanted to share information, and I think that is just manifesting in different ways now.<br />
I tend to hate on people who like certain kinds of music, and this post really was humbling for me. I read the blog you linked to, and really felt what you are saying, why is there a need to tear people down. If people&#8217;s work really does suck, than they are the ones who  will have to deal with it when their clients realize they bought into a fad, shouldn&#8217;t we spend our time helping the passionate find their way?<br />
thanks so much for writing, you keep me inspired to do this crazy thing of being a photographer.</p>
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