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		<title>By: Zack Arias on the Oversaturated Photography Market &#124; Catherine Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack Arias on the Oversaturated Photography Market &#124; Catherine Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don Giannatti (Wizwow) has this article on shooting for free, and this article on getting experience. Great reads [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jenika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post.  I agree that telling people to never shoot for free is insulting.  In fact, I think a lot of what is said in this industry about &quot;noobs&quot; is insulting - as if some people come out of the womb with a Canon in hands ready to shoot for Vogue, and everyone else is just &quot;saturation&quot; that&#039;s gunking up the market.  That&#039;s not how anything works in life.  I shoot personal work for free and I keep a spreadsheet of everything I learn from every shoot, down to the location, time of day, length of the session, the concept or goal, what worked and didn&#039;t, what I want to try next time.  There&#039;s no way I would have gotten this much practice any other way.  When people approach me asking for photos, I charge them appropriately.  But otherwise, I&#039;m not going to sit around and let my lenses gather dust.  

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for legitimizing personal work as a way to learn and get experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post.  I agree that telling people to never shoot for free is insulting.  In fact, I think a lot of what is said in this industry about &#8220;noobs&#8221; is insulting &#8211; as if some people come out of the womb with a Canon in hands ready to shoot for Vogue, and everyone else is just &#8220;saturation&#8221; that&#8217;s gunking up the market.  That&#8217;s not how anything works in life.  I shoot personal work for free and I keep a spreadsheet of everything I learn from every shoot, down to the location, time of day, length of the session, the concept or goal, what worked and didn&#8217;t, what I want to try next time.  There&#8217;s no way I would have gotten this much practice any other way.  When people approach me asking for photos, I charge them appropriately.  But otherwise, I&#8217;m not going to sit around and let my lenses gather dust.  </p>
<p>Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for legitimizing personal work as a way to learn and get experience.</p>
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		<title>By: zarias.com :: The blog of editorial photographer Zack Arias &#187; Over Saturated Market You Say? You Can Blame Me.</title>
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		<dc:creator>zarias.com :: The blog of editorial photographer Zack Arias &#187; Over Saturated Market You Say? You Can Blame Me.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don Giannatti (Wizwow) has this article on shooting for free, and this article on getting experience. Great reads [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shooting Waverunners in Mexico &#8211; In the Ocean &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shooting Waverunners in Mexico &#8211; In the Ocean &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent posts are: &#8220;Enough Negativity: Ten Things to Positively Affect Your Photography&#8221; No Assignments Without Experience, No Experience without Assignmentsâ€¦ Yeah, That Makes Sense, Righ... What is the Difference Between Shooting for Free and Shooting for Me? Be sure to check the Archives [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent posts are: &#8220;Enough Negativity: Ten Things to Positively Affect Your Photography&#8221; No Assignments Without Experience, No Experience without Assignmentsâ€¦ Yeah, That Makes Sense, Righ&#8230; What is the Difference Between Shooting for Free and Shooting for Me? Be sure to check the Archives [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Deveaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Deveaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another good word!! 

Nick Onken actually has a great post over on his blog on shooting tests. 

http://nickonken.com/blog/2010/07/how-to-set-up-a-test.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another good word!! </p>
<p>Nick Onken actually has a great post over on his blog on shooting tests. </p>
<p><a href="http://nickonken.com/blog/2010/07/how-to-set-up-a-test.html" rel="nofollow">http://nickonken.com/blog/2010/07/how-to-set-up-a-test.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Hodgkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hodgkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely good rants this week. Been forwarding the links to my FB where they&#039;ve been enjoyed too :)

The &quot;renting a bunch of lights and stuff for the weekend&quot; is definitely on my list for when I get back to London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely good rants this week. Been forwarding the links to my FB where they&#8217;ve been enjoyed too <img src='http://www.lighting-essentials.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The &#8220;renting a bunch of lights and stuff for the weekend&#8221; is definitely on my list for when I get back to London.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been needing these rants so badly. I&#039;ve been searching for topics on what to &amp; how to charge.
I&#039;m at that point.
Thank you Don!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been needing these rants so badly. I&#8217;ve been searching for topics on what to &amp; how to charge.<br />
I&#8217;m at that point.<br />
Thank you Don!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re just on a roll this week :-)

This catch-22 actually exists not just in photography or freelancing. Even corporate hiring managers, particularly in this economy have so many candidates to choose from. Would you hire the kid out of college with nothing to show than a few school projects, or the guy that has done the very same thing you want him to do for the last 10 years, and will have a running start and no maintenance whatsoever?

There are companies (and countries) that opt for the latter in most cases. But the kid out of college with no experience can still be a steal for two reasons: Most of the time he&#039;s more hungry than the guy that after 10 years is bored out of his mind, and looks forward to watching football more than sinking his teeth into a real project. Also, that kid while not working for free (sic!) will be more affordable.

So if you want to break out of this cycle, you need to play on these strengths. Be voraciously hungry and show it without tipping into obnoxious. And figure out who is more conservative vs. more adventurous.

And figure out how you can setup a bit of a startup capital so that you can fund some personal work. As long as you&#039;re willing to pay reasonable rates you can always assemble a team and build that initial portfolio that takes you to the next level. At some point the portfolio is good enough to make your next project pay for itself, and then go from there. It&#039;s very hard to bring any type of business off the ground without some startup capital, whether you&#039;re freelance or have a cool idea for a manufacturing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re just on a roll this week <img src='http://www.lighting-essentials.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This catch-22 actually exists not just in photography or freelancing. Even corporate hiring managers, particularly in this economy have so many candidates to choose from. Would you hire the kid out of college with nothing to show than a few school projects, or the guy that has done the very same thing you want him to do for the last 10 years, and will have a running start and no maintenance whatsoever?</p>
<p>There are companies (and countries) that opt for the latter in most cases. But the kid out of college with no experience can still be a steal for two reasons: Most of the time he&#8217;s more hungry than the guy that after 10 years is bored out of his mind, and looks forward to watching football more than sinking his teeth into a real project. Also, that kid while not working for free (sic!) will be more affordable.</p>
<p>So if you want to break out of this cycle, you need to play on these strengths. Be voraciously hungry and show it without tipping into obnoxious. And figure out who is more conservative vs. more adventurous.</p>
<p>And figure out how you can setup a bit of a startup capital so that you can fund some personal work. As long as you&#8217;re willing to pay reasonable rates you can always assemble a team and build that initial portfolio that takes you to the next level. At some point the portfolio is good enough to make your next project pay for itself, and then go from there. It&#8217;s very hard to bring any type of business off the ground without some startup capital, whether you&#8217;re freelance or have a cool idea for a manufacturing business.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gauthier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gauthier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.  It is just moronic to say NEVER shoot anything for free. Thanks for the insight and wisdom! 
Michael Gauthier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.  It is just moronic to say NEVER shoot anything for free. Thanks for the insight and wisdom!<br />
Michael Gauthier</p>
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