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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Elizabeth...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Prom Corsage...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<dc:creator>photography session prices &#171; anna moritz&#039;s photo blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Enough Negativity: Ten Things to Positively Affect Your Photography &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</title>
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		<description>[...] have made my feelings known on the &#8216;working for free&#8217; thing on several posts. It isn&#8217;t for &#8216;free&#8217; if value is gained&#8230; and if it can be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What is the Difference Between Shooting for Free and Shooting for Me? &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is the Difference Between Shooting for Free and Shooting for Me? &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] and get to the point where the work is viable in the marketplace. I wrote an article about working for cut rate here, so you know where I am coming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Olsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Olsen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks for the post Don. I&#039;m so grateful for you finding me and allowing me to get to know you and your blog. Great stuff!

There are many similarities with photographers and assistants on this issue, but in a slightly different vein. Of course, the rates that assistants are making are significantly less than that of the photographer, and sometimes less than the MUA, hair and wardrobe stylists, and even catering/craft service. And nowadays, with tighter budgets and what-not, it seems like the assistants rate it the first to be cut, or done away with entirely. Consequently, I&#039;ve had a few photographers tell me that they are taking a hit on their day-rate in order to pay me... so won&#039;t I please be a nice guy and consider working for less, just this once.

Over the years, I&#039;ve accepted a few of these cut-rate jobs. Iâ€™ve also walked away from many, only to wish afterward, that I had taken it, because it seemed like forever until the phone rang for the next gig. If I do accept the gig, I&#039;m just on-set with a shameful weariness that bogs me down, because I feel like I&#039;m just a glorified baby-sitter or second-rate errand-boy, or whatever. A few times the photographer has called me again, saying they had another shoot with another tight budget, like the last time. I usually just say I&#039;m already booked or tell them straight-up that I can&#039;t work for less than my standard fee. Either way, you&#039;re sort of screwed.

But you&#039;re right, and I&#039;ve talked and written about this myself. Working for anything less than your full day-rate just seems to cause nothing but bad juju, all around. I think itâ€™s harder for an assistant to say no, however, just because they arenâ€™t making as much money to begin with. And now, there is a lot less work. We easily justify working for less money because weâ€™d rather stay busy rather than worry about when the phone is going to ring again for a gig. I try to tell other assistants that if they feel itâ€™s necessary for them to take a lower rate that they also do a little bartering where maybe they can trade for some studio time or borrow equipment. I think this is especially helpful for newer assistants. It&#039;s a little bit of a win-win.

I know one photographer who takes many newbies under his wing, teaching them a lot about his lighting, philosophy, and direction on each shoot. He won&#039;t pay them. A lot of his work is low/no-budget music, but he needs help with gear because he has to work fast. He doesn&#039;t mind that a new assistant doesn&#039;t know anything. Most photographers can teach an assistant what they need to know for a specific shoot. When he needs an experienced, reliable guy, he calls me, and pays me. We understand each other. New assistants... make sure you and your photographer understand one another! It&#039;s great to get lots of first-hand tutoring, but that can only go so far.

Just like a good photographer, a good assistant will promote himself, build good relationships, and find the right opportunities. Hard work, a good attitude, and persistence will go a long way, even today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post Don. I&#8217;m so grateful for you finding me and allowing me to get to know you and your blog. Great stuff!</p>
<p>There are many similarities with photographers and assistants on this issue, but in a slightly different vein. Of course, the rates that assistants are making are significantly less than that of the photographer, and sometimes less than the MUA, hair and wardrobe stylists, and even catering/craft service. And nowadays, with tighter budgets and what-not, it seems like the assistants rate it the first to be cut, or done away with entirely. Consequently, I&#8217;ve had a few photographers tell me that they are taking a hit on their day-rate in order to pay me&#8230; so won&#8217;t I please be a nice guy and consider working for less, just this once.</p>
<p>Over the years, I&#8217;ve accepted a few of these cut-rate jobs. Iâ€™ve also walked away from many, only to wish afterward, that I had taken it, because it seemed like forever until the phone rang for the next gig. If I do accept the gig, I&#8217;m just on-set with a shameful weariness that bogs me down, because I feel like I&#8217;m just a glorified baby-sitter or second-rate errand-boy, or whatever. A few times the photographer has called me again, saying they had another shoot with another tight budget, like the last time. I usually just say I&#8217;m already booked or tell them straight-up that I can&#8217;t work for less than my standard fee. Either way, you&#8217;re sort of screwed.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right, and I&#8217;ve talked and written about this myself. Working for anything less than your full day-rate just seems to cause nothing but bad juju, all around. I think itâ€™s harder for an assistant to say no, however, just because they arenâ€™t making as much money to begin with. And now, there is a lot less work. We easily justify working for less money because weâ€™d rather stay busy rather than worry about when the phone is going to ring again for a gig. I try to tell other assistants that if they feel itâ€™s necessary for them to take a lower rate that they also do a little bartering where maybe they can trade for some studio time or borrow equipment. I think this is especially helpful for newer assistants. It&#8217;s a little bit of a win-win.</p>
<p>I know one photographer who takes many newbies under his wing, teaching them a lot about his lighting, philosophy, and direction on each shoot. He won&#8217;t pay them. A lot of his work is low/no-budget music, but he needs help with gear because he has to work fast. He doesn&#8217;t mind that a new assistant doesn&#8217;t know anything. Most photographers can teach an assistant what they need to know for a specific shoot. When he needs an experienced, reliable guy, he calls me, and pays me. We understand each other. New assistants&#8230; make sure you and your photographer understand one another! It&#8217;s great to get lots of first-hand tutoring, but that can only go so far.</p>
<p>Just like a good photographer, a good assistant will promote himself, build good relationships, and find the right opportunities. Hard work, a good attitude, and persistence will go a long way, even today.</p>
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		<title>By: Getting Over a Creative Block: Some Ideas For Breaking Out &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Getting Over a Creative Block: Some Ideas For Breaking Out &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Three recent articles you may not want to miss here at LE: Finding Your Creative Center, by Daron Shade Just a Camera and a Subject. Simplicity Can Be Fun. Before You Shoot for Peanuts, Consider the Risks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Three recent articles you may not want to miss here at LE: Finding Your Creative Center, by Daron Shade Just a Camera and a Subject. Simplicity Can Be Fun. Before You Shoot for Peanuts, Consider the Risks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wizwow</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizwow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,
Yes that article is coming this week. Got a little delayed while checking some items out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,<br />
Yes that article is coming this week. Got a little delayed while checking some items out.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael LaFleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael LaFleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Next rant will be on why I donâ€™t necessarily believe that Cost of Doing Business is the right way to find what to charge for photographers.&quot;

I own the JH books, and I read/think about CODB all the time.  Do you favor a modified CODB approach, like making an adjustment to price based on regional market practices, or is the CODB completely flawed somehow?  Looking forward to your next rant.  I read this site as often as I do Strobist, and that&#039;s saying alot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Next rant will be on why I donâ€™t necessarily believe that Cost of Doing Business is the right way to find what to charge for photographers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I own the JH books, and I read/think about CODB all the time.  Do you favor a modified CODB approach, like making an adjustment to price based on regional market practices, or is the CODB completely flawed somehow?  Looking forward to your next rant.  I read this site as often as I do Strobist, and that&#8217;s saying alot.</p>
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		<title>By: Daron Shade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daron Shade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some experience that I&#039;d like to share on this. In the past I&#039;ve had to reinvent my book a few times. A couple of years ago, I decided to get back into shooting food and environmental portraits. I talked to a feee weekly paper and began shooting for them.  Their rates were  - low... even after negotiation,  and the average image quality at that time was poor. I was very honest about my motive when we met - they were very happy to bring me in and give me some choice assignments. I was able to shoot food at some of the hottest restaurants in the southwest and took some other great assignments. They were paying for a quick and dirty natural light image, but  I would bring my studio lights to shoot  the way I wanted-- sure, I got some odd looks and questions from the businesses,  but boy did I get some nice portfolio work and covered my cost while not undercutting any commercial rates.  I even sold usage to a few of these business.  Yeah, I gave the paper amazing value for their money, but how else was I going to add images of $50 appetizers to my portfolio? 

I&#039;ve always had trouble charging enough for my work - I think most of us have this same issue. To keep me honest to myself, I decided to put my rates on my website. If my phone rings, I know I&#039;m talking to someone who has had an opportunity to see my rates. It keeps me from trying to undercut myself when times are slow or when I really want to do an assignment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some experience that I&#8217;d like to share on this. In the past I&#8217;ve had to reinvent my book a few times. A couple of years ago, I decided to get back into shooting food and environmental portraits. I talked to a feee weekly paper and began shooting for them.  Their rates were  &#8211; low&#8230; even after negotiation,  and the average image quality at that time was poor. I was very honest about my motive when we met &#8211; they were very happy to bring me in and give me some choice assignments. I was able to shoot food at some of the hottest restaurants in the southwest and took some other great assignments. They were paying for a quick and dirty natural light image, but  I would bring my studio lights to shoot  the way I wanted&#8211; sure, I got some odd looks and questions from the businesses,  but boy did I get some nice portfolio work and covered my cost while not undercutting any commercial rates.  I even sold usage to a few of these business.  Yeah, I gave the paper amazing value for their money, but how else was I going to add images of $50 appetizers to my portfolio? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always had trouble charging enough for my work &#8211; I think most of us have this same issue. To keep me honest to myself, I decided to put my rates on my website. If my phone rings, I know I&#8217;m talking to someone who has had an opportunity to see my rates. It keeps me from trying to undercut myself when times are slow or when I really want to do an assignment&#8230;</p>
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